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Tuesday, January 31st 2012, 4:07pm

8dio - 1928 steinway

ja ok, die gefühlte 1000ste piano-lib. darum gehts mir auch grad nicht. ich finde einfach, aus musikalischer sicht, die demos sehr schön und hörenswert:

http://soundcloud.com/8dawn/sets/legacy-…teinway-scoring

die z.t. sehr lauten nebengeräusche (pedalgeräusche, saitenschnarren, etc.) stören oft, sind wohl aber bewusst so reingedreht um zu zeigen, dass die lib sie hat.
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Tuesday, January 31st 2012, 4:52pm

Ein 1928er Steinway ist schon ein edles Instrument, da gehören Nebengeräusche zur Klangästhetic. :)

Ich find allerdings auf der 8dio Homepage nirgendwo diese Lib. So viele unterschiedliche Leute machen Demos mit einer Lib, die es gar nicht gibt? Bin ich blind?
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Tuesday, January 31st 2012, 5:14pm

Die Library ist noch nicht erschienen, soweit ich weiß. Das Musiker, die Demos komponieren, die Libraries früher bekommen, ist ja eigentlich nichts neues.

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Tuesday, January 31st 2012, 5:22pm

geiler sound...

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Tuesday, January 31st 2012, 5:38pm

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Teaser from our upcoming 8DIO Legacy Piano series, which is a collection of deep-sampled world-class pianos. We are initiating the journey with the release of a 1928 Steinway Grand, which was sampled for the purpose of scoring. The library contains over 12.000 samples and is the first ever to have round robin on sustains, staccato, multiple microphone positions and extreme modification, so you can play from the very softest to extreme fortissimo. The round robin on sustains makes it more natural for slower repetitions and the extreme velocities (comes in several different configurations) gives you a feel/action very close the one of the original piano.

The 1920's is known as one of Steinways best eras and the building quality is unique. This particular Grand was kept in pristine condition and the strings were original - meaning that they have a very mature and deeply resonant sound.

Specifications: +12.000 samples - round robin on sustains - round robin on staccato - 2 microphone perspectives (internal and player) - deep controls over everything from release triggers to pedal noises - convolution reverb(s) - additional morphing instruments (ex. guitars, hangdrum, pipeharps) that are blended with piano to create different textures - crazy modification of the piano to widen it from feather soft to ultra hard.

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1. This piano is true deep-sampling and contains over 12.000 samples with round robin on sustains and separate staccato samples. The round robin on sustains is invaluable and to my knowledge its never been done like this before. The library also includes 2 microphone positions. One being "internal/close" recorded inside of the piano for extreme intimate and resonant sound. The second being from a more ambient/player perspective. The piano was recorded in a warm wooden studio environment.

2. The piano does NOT contain any noise reduced samples. We spent a great deal of time trying to figure out the best methods in terms of capturing harmonics and sympathetics.There are plenty of more sterile, noise reduced pianos, on the market and this piano is the opposite of these. I do not believe in noise reducing stringed instruments.

3. The demo hit a voice count of over 300 voices, so its only natural that a little hiss will build up. You can remove this fully in the library if you want through its controls, but again - you lose some of its beauty and character. The choice is yours.

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It is one of the most complicated instruments I have ever done, since I wanted that soft, warm, wooden feeling in lower velocities, but also a strong forte and brightness in higher layers. The truth is no piano has both, which is we needed to modify the piano to get it and round robin on sustains and separate staccato requires serious Zen skills to do, which is probably why nobody else has done it before.

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1. The Piano is a 1928 Steinway with original strings, ivory and everything. This particular line is incredibly rare and is almost identical to the Steinway's used by some of our favorite composers (ex. Newman). The original strings gives it a much more mature and deep-resonating sound. We had to modify the piano hammers to cover everything from the softest feathery touches to powerful fortissimo.

2. This +12.000 sample beauty will be on sale next week. Price TBA.

3. The piano hardly compares with others, since its the first ever to have round robin on sustains, separate staccato, two microphones covering internal and player/ambient position, convolution reverbs, extensive controls, including pedal and release trigger volume, EQ, attack and many others. It also contains piano morphed instruments (ex. hang drum, pipe harps, ambient guitar and many others morphed with piano).

More information, demos and videos coming (quite) soon.

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The piano is first of its kind to have both round robin on sustains, round robin on staccato, microphone positions (internal/close & player/ambient) and piano morphed instruments, which we will demonstrate more soon.

Ps. This first batch of demos mostly range from P-MF, however do check the bottom demo (Technical Velocity Layer) to hear it play through all its ranges. We sampled the piano at an unrealistic level of dynamics, since we had it modified to play ultra soft and then go all the way up in fortissismo, which no true piano is capable of. We have natural patches too, but its pretty interesting playing across more dynamics then normal grands have too.


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Tuesday, January 31st 2012, 5:55pm

wenn ich noch eine Weile dieses dämliche "deep-sampling" höre, werde ich zum Hirsch.
Ich hatte mal im Vi-Control Forum nachgefragt, was es eigentlich mit deep, deeper, deepest sampling auf sich haben soll, weil mir als non-native english speaker ist diese Begriffsform nicht geläufig. Die Antwort war, dass auch die native speaker nicht genau wissen was das soll und vor Troels Foelmann hat diesen Begriff wohl auch noch keiner in der Form und dem Zusammenhang benutzt. Die beste Erklärung wo ich dafür fand war, dass beim Troel'schen deep-sampling man absichtlich versucht alle Nebengeräusche durch das Spielen des Instruments mit einfließen lässt und nicht mit irgendwelchen Filter in der Postproduction die Samples clean macht. 8|

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This piano is true deep-sampling
und jetzt haben wir auch noch ein true deep-sampling. Also eine wahre Tiefenaufnahme. Da genügt es nicht mit Mikrofonen vor, über oder hinter dem Instrument die Aufnahme zu machen, nein das Mikrofon muss dann wohl gaaaanz tieef in die Klavierseiten hineingesteckt werden. Und weil das Sampling auch noch "True" ist, ist es kein Fake, sondern wirklich echt gesampelt. :wacko:
Troels Foelmann ist der Tiefseetaucher unter den Samplern. :D
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Tuesday, January 31st 2012, 6:07pm

:xD: naja, falls er mal beide hände verlieren sollte und taub wird, so dass er keine musik mehr machen kann, wird er mit absoluter sicherheit von jedem konzern der welt noch als hochbezahlter marketing-spezialist eingestellt. :D
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Tuesday, January 31st 2012, 6:10pm

Das muss etwas ähnliches sein wie "psychoacoustic sampling". :)

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